Comments on: Dealin’ Doug at the Trade Deadline

By: V Dubs

V Dubs — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 21:29:49 +0000

Great write up on Dealin’ Doug. Those were crazy 2012 trades! CRAZY!

By: icbeast

icbeast — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 02:54:19 +0000

Cruz was only one prospect so I don’t I would say he hurt the prospect depth all that much.

Assuming he would’ve developed on the same timeline had he not been traded, he wouldn’t have been useful on the field until 2009 as the replacement on the roster for Jody Gerut, and maybe that would have gotten them to .500. I guess he could have been a good trade piece maybe in between the actual trade and then.

Would have been quite the luxury off the bench in 2011 but at least then I wouldn’t have the image of Mark Kotsay falling on his face burned in mind.

But with Fielder at 1B and Braun and Hart at the corner outfield spots they didn’t really have a place for him as a starter until 2012, and in 2012-2103 Aoki had 6.6 bWAR for $3 million and Cruz had 2.8 bWAR for $15.5 million.

2014 is the one year he would have made any real positive difference. Swap Khris Davis’s 2014 with Cruz’s 2014 and maybe they don’t fall apart in the second half.

Brewers are so terrible this year that it wouldn’t make sense paying him $14 million so he’d just be another guy on the trading block.

So trading Cruz wasn’t really the issue, just would have been nice to get a little more for him.

By: Andrew Salzman

Andrew Salzman — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 00:54:26 +0000

Hi Wollam, thanks for the compliment!

I think the Cruz/Lee trade was damaging on two fronts: 1) the obvious inclusion of Cruz and 2) not restocking the system. I think it’s important to remember back then that most teams didn’t quite hold on to prospects as tightly as they do now, so the potential was there for a big trade (though without knowing what was offered at the time, this is pure speculation).

Further to your comment of them needing a middle of the order bat to pair with Gomez and Braun- that could have been Cruz- and it neglects to mention Fielder, who would have also been in Milwaukee at that time. It would have been fun to see that lineup…

By: J.P. Breen

J.P. Breen — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 19:27:20 +0000

You certainly didn’t. However, that wouldn’t have been a “sell” trade for the Brewers.

By: flatfifths

flatfifths — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 18:25:21 +0000

Did I dream the C.C. Sabathia trade (2008)?

By: WOLLAM

WOLLAM — Mon, 29 Jun 2015 22:58:35 +0000

Good read Salzy.

How much do you think the Cruz/Lee trade set the organization back in terms of prospect depth? Obviously giving up a power bat like Cruz is gonna sting (especially in hindsight). They are the type of team that could have used another big middle of the order power bat to go along with Gomez and Braun.

That was easily the worst of Dealin’s selling moves.